Will the real Claire Dancy please stand up?
Enough dicking around. Hold on to your asses, folks. Cause here's the breaking news.
Claire Dancy is a fake name, website, and identity create by Karen Simmons to gain entrance into DWF.
How do I know this, you ask? Cause she told me she was doing it. She told several others, as well. I was very adamant and vocal (those of you who know me, exactly HOW vocal can I get?) it was beyond being a bad idea.
#1 - DWF was BOUND to find out. (Which they did. I'm certain they'd be willing to share with you THEIR experience of Claire Dancy.)
#2 - A forum owner simply CAN NOT break into other forums. (For a second time, may I add) Makes it very difficult to enforce on your own forum rules. It's bad business. And I'm always against bad business.
She went on and signed up for DWF anyway. I found out about it shortly after she was booted when I verified with DWF. (We may be separate forums, but there are professional courtesies we extend one another.) I will say it didn't take them long, smart bunch that they are. But that's their story to tell.
Want even more proof? Here ya go. I've got it. Just because I love ya like that.
WHOIS%20Claire.pdf
This file is everything we downloaded to Word (then saved in PDF) in regards to domains, server names, and Karen Simmons. Everything highlighted in turquoise is from me. I could go into page breakdowns - but that would ruin your fun. Notice, though, that the info on the Claire site was in the process of being overwritten. 20 minutes later and all it showed was godaddy information.
So. Who knows Clair Dancy? No one. Every one. DWF knows Claire. Like I said, I'm certain they'll be more then happy to share their information on Claire with ya. All you have to do is ask nicely.
I'd like to end this post with a personal note to Karen.
1.) I am not a client taking you to small claims court. I am your business partner. And I have more money for lawsuits then you.
I'm in this for the long haul.
2.) I am not a photographer. So I have no fear of you hurting my business name. I work in the IT field. Even if you manage to get them to listen to you - and with all due respect to wedding photographers everywhere - all I have to do is walk into a room of IT geeks and say "she's a fucking wedding photographer for Christ sake." The only way they'd laugh harder? If you were the wedding singer.*
I'm not going to back down.
3.) You, however, are a photographer. It isn't slander if it can be proven true.
How far this goes is entirely up to you.
4.) Even THINK of locking me out of the forum... and you'll make my job a heckuva lot easier.
Game on, honey.
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* Disclaimer: I believe that the general public hasn't the proper appreciation for the skills necessary to be a photographer. If they lack the appreciation of these honed skills, chances are, they would not take seriously the claims of a member from the industry compared to a proven member from their own industry - IT geek or not.
Claire Dancy is a fake name, website, and identity create by Karen Simmons to gain entrance into DWF.
How do I know this, you ask? Cause she told me she was doing it. She told several others, as well. I was very adamant and vocal (those of you who know me, exactly HOW vocal can I get?) it was beyond being a bad idea.
#1 - DWF was BOUND to find out. (Which they did. I'm certain they'd be willing to share with you THEIR experience of Claire Dancy.)
#2 - A forum owner simply CAN NOT break into other forums. (For a second time, may I add) Makes it very difficult to enforce on your own forum rules. It's bad business. And I'm always against bad business.
She went on and signed up for DWF anyway. I found out about it shortly after she was booted when I verified with DWF. (We may be separate forums, but there are professional courtesies we extend one another.) I will say it didn't take them long, smart bunch that they are. But that's their story to tell.
Want even more proof? Here ya go. I've got it. Just because I love ya like that.
WHOIS%20Claire.pdf
This file is everything we downloaded to Word (then saved in PDF) in regards to domains, server names, and Karen Simmons. Everything highlighted in turquoise is from me. I could go into page breakdowns - but that would ruin your fun. Notice, though, that the info on the Claire site was in the process of being overwritten. 20 minutes later and all it showed was godaddy information.
So. Who knows Clair Dancy? No one. Every one. DWF knows Claire. Like I said, I'm certain they'll be more then happy to share their information on Claire with ya. All you have to do is ask nicely.
I'd like to end this post with a personal note to Karen.
1.) I am not a client taking you to small claims court. I am your business partner. And I have more money for lawsuits then you.
I'm in this for the long haul.
2.) I am not a photographer. So I have no fear of you hurting my business name. I work in the IT field. Even if you manage to get them to listen to you - and with all due respect to wedding photographers everywhere - all I have to do is walk into a room of IT geeks and say "she's a fucking wedding photographer for Christ sake." The only way they'd laugh harder? If you were the wedding singer.*
I'm not going to back down.
3.) You, however, are a photographer. It isn't slander if it can be proven true.
How far this goes is entirely up to you.
4.) Even THINK of locking me out of the forum... and you'll make my job a heckuva lot easier.
Game on, honey.
__________________________________
* Disclaimer: I believe that the general public hasn't the proper appreciation for the skills necessary to be a photographer. If they lack the appreciation of these honed skills, chances are, they would not take seriously the claims of a member from the industry compared to a proven member from their own industry - IT geek or not.
Labels: Claire Dancy, Karen Simmons, Kia McAuliffe, PWP
posted by Kiki at
8:03 PM
16 Comments:
sigh. another one bites the dust. it aint fun is it?
pwp smack down!
sad.
I found a song to sum up Ms. Claire Dancy...of course on youtube.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvV-upQVoFs
interesting...
Devynn
wow what steps one must go through. Hugs Kiki
I am not surprised. this will probably get me booted off of of PWP
Judy - If you get booted off PWP please contact me at kikimarcus@gmail.com. People do NOT get booted from the forum for having differing views.
Kiki,
So far so good and thanks.
Good luck dealing with all of the fallout from this.
Judy
Kiki,
I was booted off PWP without warning shortly before Ms. Simmons converted it to a subscription site and started selling workshops. Since I have known Karen and her activities for over 15 years it is not surprising to me that she would want to silence any detractors on her own controlled forum.
I am not surprised by anything she does.
Rick
"all I have to do is walk into a room of IT geeks and say "she's a fucking wedding photographer for Christ sake." The only way they'd laugh harder? If you were the wedding singer."
Ya know what, as a wedding photographer I gotta admit, I take insult to that statement. I'm not the first to notice. Probably won't be the last.
I've seen some pretty inmature behavior the last couple of days. Not the least bit professional on either side. It's saddening. Really, you both need to deal with via the proper channels and leave the rest of us the hell out of it. We didn't create it. We can't fix it. We don't need to know about it.
But hey, these days I'm "just a wedding photographer." By choice thank you very much.
Aw, Bob. Don't be that way. I think it's pretty well understood that the public has no real appreciation for the skill it take to be a GOOD photographer.
And that's all I truly meant. That a bunch of IT geeks wouldn't have any appreciate for the skill required to be a good wedding photogrpaher.
I apologize for the offense. No disrespect was meant.
"I work in the IT field. Even if you manage to get them to listen to you - and with all due respect to wedding photographers everywhere - all I have to do is walk into a room of IT geeks and say "she's a fucking wedding photographer for Christ sake." The only way they'd laugh harder? If you were the wedding singer.*"
I just can't get over this. You can back pedal all you want about this remark, I will never give another penny to the PWP Forum. You have insulted the intelligence of the very group of people whom your investment counted on.
If you are so friggin smart, how did you manage to get conned by a " no talent wedding photographer"
dude, she's pissed off and nothing more. She called them IT Geeks. You don't see the geeks getting pissed off. When one if fighting, all words are fair game. It was meant as an insult to KS and nothing more.
I have no idea who Kiki is, never met her, but the whole incident that is taking place if friggin sad.
I guess what I'm saying,.... don't sweat it. The comment was directed at Karen, not photographers in general.... in my opinion.
jb, proud,,, ass kicking wedding photographer.
I understand the intent of Kiki's comment and was not insulted. In my current photography business I work almost 100% in weddings. My background though includes many years in commercial advertising photography and fine art. i spent many years teaching alongside of Ansel Adams and through that friendship I met dozens of the real legends in the art of photography. NONE of them had anything even close to the egos I see so prevalent among many of my wedding photography brethren. I just shake my head, bite my tongue and laugh inside.
Rick
Wow. Didn't know I could post here. I have been on and off that board for about 4 years. I met many great people on that board. Allegra was the one who explained how to drag a shutter in receptions. I miss the old days. Even the folks that got under my skin, sometimes had something good to say.
No ego here, but what you said Kiki, did offend me. I understand that you are angry and I can appreciate that, though I would have liked to see you guys handle this in a more, um, mature fashion. The comment made me think, "Well, if this is how she really feels, Karen directed or not, then why would I pay someone who has little regard for what I do?"
Maybe I am just "young-minded" for thinking this, but I am a person built of emotion and it did strike a tone with me, regardless of the direction of intent.
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